By Pramod Daya
I like measuring things. Especially the reports on my health – cholesterol levels, blood sugar levels, blood pressure, weight. And graphing them, to get a sense of whether my general health is improving, or declining. My brother died at age 57, and my father at 94. Who knows my life expectancy? These graphs are an attempt to get some measure of control over an unpredictable life.
As I have recounted, I found myself gushing urine in the weeks after my prostate cancer surgery. Here’s how I held onto my sanity and found some sense of progress through measurement.
Urine control tracking spreadsheets: because I just needed to know
I was using up to five “man pads” a day to soak up that gushing urine. So I created a spreadsheet and weighed every pad after it had been used. I subtracted its weight before use, and ended up with a net weight of leakage per pad. You might think weighing and recording the weight of every pad seems like a great burden.
I just needed to know whether it was getting better or worse. In the early days it felt hopeless.
I only started recording weights two weeks after the operation, and there were days when I was leaking more than 300ml per day. the worst day ever, was 421 ml, which is a lot of fluid to be carrying around in your pants. Needless to say I went through four pads that day. I was graphing because I needed a sense of progress, and drawing graphs in Excel gave me that confidence.
This is how the numbers looked in the early days:
Urine leakage in ml per day
10 months later, it’s looking like this :
So I’m down to 1, or sometimes 2 pads a day – and the daily total is the column in green between 7 and 15 ml or grams per day.
Admittedly, it was frustrating to hear that most folks have not had anywhere near this much leakage for this long, the lucky ones just had a bit of leakage for a couple of days and apparently those in their early 50’s generally only leaked for about six weeks at most.
This graph showed the daily usage – and it’s a depressing one:
For a couple of months, now… it’s been at a low level. I feel that I have no right to complain compared to what it was like 10 months ago. There is a part of me however that despairs that it will ever stop, as the weekly average has been the same for nearly 3 months now.
Am I doing my Kegels right? Or is this a life sentence…
I set reminders on my phone for a couple of times per day, to do the Kegel exercises – as the physiotherapist said, I will be doing them for the rest of my life.
Maybe I’m not doing my Kegels often enough, or strongly enough, or something… but being able to get up in the morning and put on underwear, without having to also find a pad and wear that too, seems like a wistful hope now.
As the weekly average shows, and as the trendline cheerfully predicts, I should have stopped leaking at the beginning of May:
Tracking urine control: the outlook for years to come
However, 8 weeks later, the weekly average has not changed. Perhaps this is my life forever more… that I will constantly be dribbling into pads. I’ve been told by some folks that this goes on for a year. Others say that they put on a pad when going out, several years later.
So far research hasn’t managed to find factors that predict success outcomes: “No preoperative factors, such as age, International Index of Erectile Function-5, prostate-specific antigen level, American Urological Association symptom score, body mass index, uroflowmetry, nerve-sparing status, estimated blood loss, or prostate weight, were found to predict time to continence.” (Journal of Endourology)
The only thing that is certain is that nothing is certain.
Hi Pramod
Thanks for sharing.
I had my RARP in Nov 20, so 7 months ago, aged 62.
PSA 7.1, Gleason 7 (3+4), stage 2c ( reconfirmed post op).
I was fortunate to have a good surgeon who practices the Rezius approach. So I have had none of the issues you have had re pads, but certainly a journey re the old chap and some ED still.
I think it seems to be something of an accepted wisdom that surgeon skill and experience is a predictive factor in continence recovery.
What I particularly liked about your article and I think I can take and use, is to adopt a rigorous approach to measuring progress in my recovery ( in my case specifically ED).
I get the distinct impression from reading around that both continence and ED post surgery and for possibly years after, tend for most men to be a fairly bumpy unpredictable journey – two steps forward and one (or maybe even two or three) back at times.
So monitoring and measuring can be a great help in maintaining and boosting morale and keeping perspective.
In your case my fervent hope is you will start to see that chart dipping down again to completely “dry” level soon. Keep at it and thanks again for the article !
Hi Pramod
It is interesting you are taking such a scientific approach. It is useful to see the trend. When I had the surgery, 10 years ago, I started doing something similar but in my case it was very non-linear and I gave up! However, I continued with Kegel exercises for about two months and suddenly on waking one morning I had to make a positive effort to pee. Since then I still occasionally drip a little when getting up from a squatting position and also when my wife make any ‘erotic’ gestures! So I use a small pad.
Have patience, your trend is positive and you have a lot to look forward to.
Pratap Mehta
ps I still do Kegel exercises.
Hi Pramod,
The weighing and graph shows you have made a lot of progress since the beginning.
Here’s my story: I also experienced a plateau, after about 2 months of diligent pelvic floor exercises that I did 4-6 times per day. The weight of the pad at the end of each day indicated between 5-7 cc of fluid, even on quiet days when I did not feel any significant leakage. I decided to try going without a pad to see what was going on, and discovered that I was actually pretty well dry! I believe that 5-7 grams was actually from absorbed perspiration, rather than urine.
There is definitely value in doing the pelvic floor exercises properly and regularly. My doctor recommended a book “Prostate Recovery MAP” by physiotherapist Craig Allingham. I have no connection with the author, but the book, along with some tips from utube, helped a lot. Much more in fact than the local physio that I initially visited.
If you can work out what is triggering the small leaks, e.g. coughing, sneezing, getting up or drinking tea/coffee/alcohol/fizzy drinks (all no-nos) then you can focus on being ready to clench and avoid those leaks before they occur.
Best wishes for your recovery.
Paul.